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An example of use of the swastika by Germanic pagans, from the, circa 800 AD. More images of the stone on request. the swastika incision is not part of the inscription proper. It's basically indisputable that this symbol was used by the historical Germanic pagans and indeed it is one of many symbols used by them.
While this is obvious, there's obviously a stigma around the symbol. While I have a serious problem with National Socialist ideology being inserted into Germanic Neopaganism movements and find it counter-active, I don't think it's fair to call the Odinic Rite 'Nazis' as I have not seen sufficient evidence of this. I would be interested in your sources. Of course, people are going to regarding anything involving Germanic paganism and swastikas with suspicion - especially in Germany - and that's an unfortunate consequence of the legacy of the Third Reich and I generally take a closer look at groups as every once in a while you're going to get some nutty David Lane-influenced group popping up further setting back the efforts of people like. However, that doesn't mean the symbol is damned forever and I see sufficient basis for a group to claim that the symbol was used by historical Germanic paganism, as well, it was. I don't think it's fair to state that attempts to acknowledge the symbol as a religious symbol equates to Nazism. 12:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
The eagle - a 'symbol of Germanic paganism' of the migration period? It is 'basically indisputable' that the shape does occur in artefacts made and used by Germanic people of the pagan period.
Your immediate conclusion that this makes it a ' ' is unfounded. This is quite apart from any discussion of a 'stigma' associated with the symbol. I wouldn't call OR 'Nazi' in WP's or even my own voice. I merely pointed out they have that reputation, viz., not among 'people regarding anything involving Germanic paganism with suspicion', but among actual Germanic neopagans. I have full sympathy with Hindus and Buddhists trying to 'rehabilitate' a symbol that is clearly central to the symbolism of their faiths. This isn't the case for Germanic paganism at all, and you have to go out of your way and build on rather shaky evidence to even establish a claim that it played any role, at all, in Germanic pagan symbolism. Look, boo, your evidence of 'use of the swastika by Germanic pagans' is misguided.
'Germanic pagans' did 'use' any number of things, including socks, trousers, fur caps, knives, carts, etc., without any of these things qualifying as 'symbols of Germanic paganism'. Likewise, in Germanic artwork of the pagan period, the prevalent motives are zoomorphic abstractions of birds, snakes, horses, dogs and the like, and I have yet to hear that 'the bird' or 'the dog' are 'symbols of Germanic paganism': an incidential ornament isn't the same as a, and the claim 'religious symbolism' is much, much stronger than a mere inventory of ornamental patterns in. 12:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC) I think what this is getting down to is the term descriptor of 'symbol of Germanic paganism.' I think, obviously, this conversation is going to require a big, long list of where, how and when it was used to make this claim. Obviously, the symbol was used by the Germanic tribes and, likely, it had some significance. However, symbols such as were obviously more important and instituted for a specific purpose. Perhaps I should restate this: The symbol was used by Germanic pagans and the question is to what ends.
Most symbols used seem to have some purpose or ascribed meaning and to claim that it was 'religious' doesn't seem odd to me whereas, obviously, a sock. We're having a similar conversation regarding this on the page. Personally, I think it's pretty interesting and am interested in seeing what we dig up. 13:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC) Also, regarding your edit to my image above. The swastika isn't a part of the inscription but neither is the horn symbol.
What's the point? 13:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)while you are right wrt the sort of questions involved here, you are dead wrong wrt how we should proceed. We don't do this sort of judgement on complex questions on Wikipedia: we report the opinions defended in academic, peer-reviewed literature, by people who have done all that work for us. Thus, if you want to claim the swastika or whatever as a 'religious symbol' in Germanic paganism, you merely need to cite what scholar made the claim; not more, but also not less. 17:41, 26 December 2007 (UTC) I understand this well and have no desire to insert any further information here other than what is solid and sourced, thus this extended conversation here. The only thing I've raised here are those questions. I am still curious about your editing of my image descriptor above and what you were trying to say?
18:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC).
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There are many different flavors of Heathens. Celtic Heathens, Hellenistic Heathens, Germanic Heathen, etc.Within the Germanic Heathens you'll find 'sects' like Odinist, Theodish, Forn Sid, Asatru etc.
I think it's fair to say that Asatru are Heathen, and Heathens are Pagan.There is considerable debate on what exactly a Heathen is. Or, what are the defining aspects of a Heathen that sets it apart of general paganism. Since there is no central organizing body, and there will never be a central organizing body, it's reasonable to assume that Heathenry may never be as well defined as many other religions.
This lack of full definition trickles down to the various sects as well, to a certain extent. I've had folk of those persuasions (non-Germanic types) who insisted that there were Heathen. When I asked why, they made a compelling case that revolved around how I would recognize their practice as being very similar, outside of the specifics. They described a family-centered practice with live sacrifice, feasting traditions, use of an atypical gifting cycle, honor codes, harvest/seasonal festivities, polytheism, etc. The logic was solid, so I simply acknowledged it as such and we went on our way.
In Dutch 'heathen' could be translated by 'heiden' and 'heiden' is a very generic term for non-Christians (or non-Muslims when Dutchmen translate Muslim texts) (like the English word 'pagan'). There are people using the term to define themselves as 'Germanic heathens', but traditionally the term is more general. 'Asatru' then could be used to be more specifically Northwestern European type heathenry, but of course there is an Icelandic twist to this word, even though it was though up in the USA. Not trying to hijack the thread, because I think this is sort of related, but I'm genuinely curious:If Heathenry is basically just an umbrella term for 'non-Christian/practitioner of Germanic beliefs', but Asatru specifies the Norse beliefs, why does the Heathenry subreddit have a Mjolnir for its logo?
And also, what is the circle w/ cross in the middle of it?I'm trying to learn more about Heathenry and Asatru, but I seriosuly can't keep the two straight. I have been reading Practical Heathen's Guide to Asatru, and I don't know if I'll be able/am ready to go full on into all the aspects of a practicing Asatru, but my worldview is definitely Heathen. I'm a Christian technically due to upbringing, but feel strongly pulled towards Heathenism. I always then try to venture further into Asatru, but then always feel pulled back away from it the more I learn.
It's all very confusing for me. The fact is that mostly, these people have no clue what they believe and are just tossing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks. At the moment its very open and with zero defining features just as long as you don't believe in christ, it seems.They tend to like it that way, as it means you dont need to define anything and thus no one can truly be doing it wrong, since no one is truly doing it right either.Wanna worship trees? Welcome!Wanna worship Thor? Welcome!Wanna not worship anything and just celebrate living with your parents?
Welcome, your an ancestor worshiper!.